A lot of people come into Lemmy assuming that the federation is uniform when it isn’t. There are two different groups of people between .world and .ml, let alone more specialized instances.
Just because the community name is the same doesn’t mean the community is the same.
you’re not talking implementation? you’re talking social aspects. i was just saying that the concept of a “community”, as in the lemmy version of the “subreddit” concept, is too coarse to handle federation.
sure, but that’s not really relevant. replacing communities with tags is just part of a solution. instance filters are a separate thing. that’s why it’s too coarse; one instance can defederate another, but an instance can’t block a specific community on another.
Tags without communities would upend how Lemmy works. You would need instance based moderation instead of community moderation in order for that to work. You would also run into problems if a post is tagged with multiple tags, since that could mean a different sets of mod rules applied to the same post.
i think moderation could still be done the same, with a community-on-instance set of mods. so you’d browse tags on an instance, see posts that are tagged across the federation but with mod rules applied to that particular instance. like a view of a post from your particular version of the tag.
i’m not suggesting lemmy be changed to allow this, but that there is room for a new system that works with tags rather than communities.
At that point, Lemmy would no longer be a Reddit like site. The experience would be functionally very different, probably more like a federated Tumblr.
That assumes the “mirrored” communities are mirrors of each other. The instance that the community is hosted in really affects the community.
i think we’re speaking about different things. i’m just talking implementation details.
I’m talking about implementation.
A lot of people come into Lemmy assuming that the federation is uniform when it isn’t. There are two different groups of people between .world and .ml, let alone more specialized instances.
Just because the community name is the same doesn’t mean the community is the same.
you’re not talking implementation? you’re talking social aspects. i was just saying that the concept of a “community”, as in the lemmy version of the “subreddit” concept, is too coarse to handle federation.
It isn’t. The full name, including everything after the @ is the name of the community. They act differently and should be treated different.
To put it another way using email as an example, we wouldn’t treat matt.smith@gmail.com as the same as matt.smith@bbc.co.uk.
sure, but that’s not really relevant. replacing communities with tags is just part of a solution. instance filters are a separate thing. that’s why it’s too coarse; one instance can defederate another, but an instance can’t block a specific community on another.
Tags without communities would upend how Lemmy works. You would need instance based moderation instead of community moderation in order for that to work. You would also run into problems if a post is tagged with multiple tags, since that could mean a different sets of mod rules applied to the same post.
i think moderation could still be done the same, with a community-on-instance set of mods. so you’d browse tags on an instance, see posts that are tagged across the federation but with mod rules applied to that particular instance. like a view of a post from your particular version of the tag.
i’m not suggesting lemmy be changed to allow this, but that there is room for a new system that works with tags rather than communities.
At that point, Lemmy would no longer be a Reddit like site. The experience would be functionally very different, probably more like a federated Tumblr.